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Thán ([personal profile] hohnkai) wrote in [community profile] savrou_backup2016-02-08 01:12 pm

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The Punishment System

How It Works:

The number one rule of the captains is do not harm fellow crew members. The Moira doesn't have a strict environment, but that one rule is asked to be followed. What normally would result in hold time, the captains believe is no longer enough to keep crew from harming one another. This has brought about the creation of the punishment system.

The rules are simple. If you physically injure another crew member or murder them, you are required to comment to this page using the form below. You will be asked to pick three different punishments from the stages below, each vary in how extreme they are, and to put those punishments into the comment you make using the form. From the date that you post here until three days later, players will be allowed to respond to your comment with a vote. This vote is what their character believes is a worthy punishment for the crime committed. The captains will not vote unless there is a tie.

ICly: A MID message will be sent out detailing the events; it will have an attachment of the footage (only in the case of a murder, all other events will not show footage) with it. Crew members will be asked to seek out the captains in the mess hall and relay their vote as to the offenders punishment.

Currently, a new system is in the works. Find out more here.

The Three Stages

Category One:

☄ Three to five days in the hold
☄ One month of latrine cleaning duty
☄ Two month of laundry duty
☄ Create your own

Category Two:

☄ One of the above punishments and a loss of two ranks
☄ Off-ship privileges revoked: One week and a loss of two ranks
☄ Off-ship privileges revoked: Two weeks and a loss of two ranks
☄ Create your own

Category Three:

☄ Solitary confinement: Three days
☄ Solitary confinement: One week
☄ Solitary confinement: One week plus a reset to Incipen
☄ Create your own

List of Current/Past Offenders:

☄ Sans [personal profile] skelepun
☄ Adrian Clark [personal profile] forcefulgift
☄ Chara [personal profile] heart_breaking
☄ Peter [personal profile] takeitslow
☄ Alice Quinn [personal profile] niffin
☄ Rinzler [personal profile] notglitching
☄ Tarn [personal profile] sparkwhisperer


Punishment Form:


aminerproblem: (pic#8597200)

[personal profile] aminerproblem 2016-05-23 03:40 am (UTC)(link)
Category 3 because Tarn needs therapy to stop murdering people.
ryuuzaki: (L Change the World)

[personal profile] ryuuzaki 2016-05-23 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
L is inclined to vote for Level 3 -- murder is murder and that punishment seems to be what the other bots find appropriate so far -- but instead refrains from voting.

The entire system is up for an overhaul and, as several other people have noted, the options are too similar to the recent fiasco. The involvement of the Alter-Ingress may also be a mitigating factor, but there doesn't seem to be a need to investigate that further under the circumstances.
t65: (visit exotic dagobah.)

[personal profile] t65 2016-05-23 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Luke votes for category two. If given the opportunity to speak at the trial, he'll give his reasoning.

Solitary confinement, he feels, won't teach Tarn anything. He believes it will just give Tarn cause to continue this pattern of behavior.

However, he feels that a therapy regimen should be indefinite regardless of punishment. He doesn't think it should be voted on in the same way as punishment.
Edited 2016-05-23 14:47 (UTC)
imaginary_wife: (113)

[personal profile] imaginary_wife 2016-05-23 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
"Okay, okay.

So yeah, we know about this guy threatening organics and occasionally being a pretty big prick. But before I vote, I want to know how ingrained he was in his world? Because I'd be pretty pissed off if someone tried to take me away, too.

Also how does "Fools Energon" work exactly and what did roiding up like some metalclad meathead do to his temperament?"
Edited 2016-05-23 15:57 (UTC)
keelahselai: (Default)

[personal profile] keelahselai 2016-05-23 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
No vote, and she'll argue against the Fool's Energon because that literally just happened with Rinzler and have we learned nothing from that? And how is any organic arbitration officer or psychologist supposed to know how to deal with him? And holding this vote publicly when Tarn is known to be giant and powerful and to hate organics seems like a bad, bad idea.

No one has learned anything, and this is frustrating as hell.
aminerproblem: (pic#8597200)

[personal profile] aminerproblem 2016-05-23 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
"Fool's energon is a variant of our fuel that I had taken while on the Lost Light. It was mostly a safety precaution. While I initially disagreed with it, I had seen on my own medical file on Del Pascia's that it has some calming effects on mood, even if it does dull one's strength. I believe it may have had a hand in helping clear my head while I adjusted my outlook on things. It was not made with that intent in mind, however, so I have only my own anecdote to speak for its efficacy."

"I will say that some Cybertronians - those of us who have fought for so long - have a deeply engrained aggression that is difficult to overcome. For some of us, adjusting to peace seems to be harder than the war itself at times. It can be easy to slip back into old habits- or in Tarn's case, decide you've had enough. You can try to help him without it, but it took me four million years to turn away from killing as my answer to the world. I doubt many of you can afford to wait that long."

"As for the Nucleon... It appeared to have the opposite effect."
imaginary_wife: (45)

[personal profile] imaginary_wife 2016-05-23 06:36 pm (UTC)(link)
"One thing I would like to be assured of is that he won't have any unhealthy reactions to it. I would also like to know if prolonged use of Nucleon could have caused any long-term damage that might have affected his decision making.

Not that I won't find him guilty but his problems might be a little more complicated than the Cybertron version of a chill pill and I'd like to know all of the circumstances.

From more than one expert. I know you're pretty knowledgeable but you've got a hell of a personal stake in all of this. I'm sure you all do but I want to mix it up."
deal: (Default)

[personal profile] deal 2016-05-23 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Cassandra only bothers taking part in any of this to find out exactly who hurt Luke. She refrains from voting, because she more or less just cares the options for learning where Tarn may be for the foreseeable future.
redshitlord: (All your hopes and dreams)

[personal profile] redshitlord 2016-05-23 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Three.

"There should be a fourth option. Kicking him out completely. He deserves it."
imahologram: (fifty-four.)

[personal profile] imahologram 2016-05-23 10:02 pm (UTC)(link)
"Would it be possible to vote for a mixture of Category Two and Category Three? Solitary confinement isn't an appropriate punishment, but if he's going to be placed on this Fools Energon, surely he should be receiving therapy, not arbitration meetings, to complement it."

Which is to say, it sounds comparable to meds for a human and should be treated similarly. Her ideal vote would be:

Three to Five days in the hold and a loss of two ranks, followed by a psych evaluation and therapy until further notice. Immediate enforcement of a 'Fools Energon' regiment to make him physically weaker and even out temperament.
devilofohara: (ARMED and dangerous)

[personal profile] devilofohara 2016-05-23 10:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Robin refrains from voting. She doesn't want to be any part of this justice system unless there's something to be gained from it, and she definitely isn't going to support sedating criminals.

She will ask if Tarn can even fit in the hold, though. Because she's not sure how big those rooms are.
backsassin: by <user name = sousaphone> (i'm gonna be the drink)

OOOONE MILLION YEARS, DUNGEON

[personal profile] backsassin 2016-05-23 10:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Better yet, leave him on a rock somewhere and forget about him.

Failing that, Zam will vote for Category 3.
tsunclonus: (Default)

[personal profile] tsunclonus 2016-05-24 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
Cyclonus votes Category 3, but strongly advocates that they develop a spark stasis unit.
takeitslow: ([Apathy])

[personal profile] takeitslow 2016-05-24 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
Category Three. Riptide was the one robot he really liked and was actually his buddy so he wants the worst for Tarn the system will allow.
gainedlove: (* Cringe)

[personal profile] gainedlove 2016-05-24 05:42 am (UTC)(link)
Category one. They would choose two or three, but the Fools Energon gives them too many recode vibes for them to be completely behind the punishment. Frisk will quietly suggest Tarn still receive therapy, however.

also grampa y u so scary
aminerproblem: (Default)

[personal profile] aminerproblem 2016-05-24 05:48 am (UTC)(link)
"No, you're right. I'm not a medic or a scientist. The only assurance I can give is what I've experienced myself. That said, I believe you would be wise to properly investigate the nature of both chemicals. I imagine the ship will need the research to be able to fabricate more regardless."

Ordinarily he'd be a little cagey about aliens researching their tech, but there's not a lot of options here.

"It is likely he will need a different dose than what I was given, among other things. Monitoring his physical health should be part of the regiment."
imaginary_wife: (12 - JC4v4w1)

[personal profile] imaginary_wife 2016-05-24 07:14 am (UTC)(link)
"I'll make sure. He may have made a hell of a dick move but he's still one of my patients. Just like the victims are.

But if his temperament has been changed from juicing up, that's something that's going to affect any therapy he receives. So I'll need to check that. That said, Category 3 but without the drug endorsement."

Not that her vote would sway anything, but she wants to be absolutely sure before cramming a guy full of chemicals or juju or whatever she knows nothing about.
diamondslap: (you can't decliiiine)

[personal profile] diamondslap 2016-05-24 01:30 pm (UTC)(link)
aurelia votes category one because it's the one least likely to result in her having to do her job B(
petridish: (Default)

category three

[personal profile] petridish 2016-05-24 01:33 pm (UTC)(link)
space racism
ergon: (Default)

[personal profile] ergon 2016-05-24 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Category 3.
isdronning: (pic#10293526)

[personal profile] isdronning 2016-05-24 03:11 pm (UTC)(link)
The events warrant consequences, but when two of the categories involve the Fools Energon, those consequences are hardly better than the act which incurred them in the first place. So, Elsa gives no vote.

Forcefully weakening and altering a person continues to not be right, no matter what they've done.
whoami: (Who's that writin; John the revelator)

[personal profile] whoami 2016-05-24 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Sam still doesn't feel right with voting on punitive measures, so he's still abstaining. This time, he actually says something. ]

"This is going to keep spreading. This makes twice now that there have been murders. Something that actually ends up being more harsh than a 'time-out room' needs to be implemented like now. Yeah The Captains are talking about it, but meanwhile this happens.

Riptide didn't ask for this...but I say he is the last, because I'm not big on seeing this a third time. After him the entire matter of resurge doesn't exist. Death is permanent. It's the only way to permanently deal with killing."
ersatzeverything: (Default)

[personal profile] ersatzeverything 2016-05-25 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
The more Deacon sees of the Moira's system of justice, the more he doesn't like it, but he figures it's the only one they've got right now and it's better than nothing. (He's seen firsthand how well that works.)

He doesn't know about the Fools Energon, as he's not fond of drugs (being familiar mostly with the addictive chems of his world) and is uneasy with the idea of forcing them on someone unwillingly, even if that someone hurt a person he likes. But in the end he votes for category three because torture is unforgivable.
squadgoals: (I was dead for 2 years how do I use this)

[personal profile] squadgoals 2016-05-25 03:20 am (UTC)(link)
Not that she says anything out loud, but when the summons for another trial comes through, complete with its set of details, she barely contains a string of multi-languaged swears. Anyone with half a brain can see there's more going on than meets the eye for this one, too. At a glance, it looks like Cybertronian in-fighting, with Luke as an unrelated victim. From the sounds of it, Luke was actually more helpful than anyone else.

The punishments system is still broken. The ship's way of dealing with this still isn't sorted out. But there does need to be something in place, until the system is fixed. Shepard's vote goes to Category One, but with the entire regiment of Category Two's counselling — longer, if possible. Fool's Energon is right out — anything manipulating or shifting a personality is no better than druggings or recodings.

She volunteers to assist with any counselling that takes place, if there's a call for it. This is another preventable death, brought about by lack of crew communication and cohesion, and she's done with sitting on the sidelines.
inruins: (Shocked/startled)

[personal profile] inruins 2016-05-25 07:38 am (UTC)(link)
Toriel advocates for a mixture of Category two and three.

She openly states solitary confinement won't be helpful in this case and even with Megatron's statement regarding taking out 'Fools Energon'- Toriel eers on the side of caution on that suggestion. She would rather Tarn have therapy and some time in the hold.

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